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Fact Checking the Palin / Biden Debate

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Just who was telling the truth?  We’ve referenced at least 14 issues between the candidates and back it up with facts.  After the Palin / Biden debate last night, we decided to organize a fact checking session to identify what the real facts are – What each party represents and an analysis of each of the 14 blatant facts that were completely wrong are brought into the light.


1. TAX VOTE:
Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY. [Link to the votes HERE ]

2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it. [True and we posted the video]

3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.” [True – was well reported and Democrats votes against drilling and other energy production are well documented – Biden rips Bush on energy by JEFF MONTGOMERY • The News Journal • July 15, 2008]

4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage. [Link to the votes HERE .]

5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate. [True and we posted the video and wrote an article about it]

6. ALTERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times. [Procedural votes can get pretty convoluted so this one is hard to say either way but here is the link to McCain’s energy plan and we suggest that people just read it for themselves and make a decision]

7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people’s health insurance coverage — they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false.

[McCain is right about this one, the New York Times started this nonsense saying that if people use the McCain tax credit plan to get health insurance over their employers insurance plan, the employers may just decide to give the money they would have spent on insurance to the employee. If the employee gets a raise as a result he will pay more in taxes. DUH… if you get a raise you should expect to pay taxes on the raise.. but that doesn’t mean that your health insurance benefits are taxed…. HERE is the link to McCain’s health plan.]

8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska — she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it’s not a windfall profits tax.

[McCain is right about this one as well. The tax plan on energy companies in Alaska is NOT a windfall profits tax, it is a graduated energy tax based on the price of a barrel of oil. The tax on a barrel of oil in Alaska is 22.5% and the tax goes up by 0.2% per dollar over $52.00 a barrel. So at $100 a barrel that is a 9.6% extra tax per barrel, hardly the profit killing windfall profits tax that Hillary and Obama have supported.]

9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

[True – This was media spin from a San-Francisco paper. The General said he wanted more troops but wanted an implementation that was slightly different than the Iraq-Surge plan, so I guess you could call it the Afghan surge plan  – LINK ]

10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation — he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

[ The law that Obama claims did this, was passed 90-8 by the Senate and Biden voted for it.]
Factcheck.org :

The truth is, however, the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act had little if anything to do with the current crisis. In fact, economists on both sides of the political spectrum have suggested that the act has probably made the crisis less severe than it might otherwise have been.]

11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right. [Everyone knows this, when McCain first started asking for the surge many Republicans and Donald Rumsfeld opposed McCain, so McCain demanded that Rumsfeld resign. McCain was proved correct.]

12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

[Democrats have no credibility when it comes to tax cuts, they talk about them in the campaign but when the bills show up in Congress almost everyone who pays federal income taxes ends up paying a higher rate. Just examining the attempts to raise taxes or repeal tax cuts over recent years, former Hillary supporter Donald Trump is right when he says that Democrats "taxing the rich" end up hitting lots of other people too. Al Gore’s middle class tax cut was so targeted that almost no one qualified for it and Bill Clinton’s middle class tax cut in 1993 was the largest tax increase in US history at the time and did not cut middle class taxes.

Obama called for a doubling of the Capital Gains Tax admitting that he knew it would lower government revenue when called on it in a primary debate saying that he was more interested in "fairness" instead of revenue. Capital Gains Tax directly affects the housing market.

Democrats also refuse to acknowledge the increases in government revenue that are often a result of tax rate decreases in spite of the fact that they are well documented.]
13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.” [Having looked at the legislation myself I am calling this as true]

14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won’t pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan. [True – and laughable. The top marginal tax rate under Reagan was 28%. The top rate is higher than that NOW, so how can the rate be the same as Reagan when for some groups the rate will go up? Ridiculous!]

An Analysis by Karl Rove:

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Obama gets “Schooled” in First Debate

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Special thanks go to Alex Charyna of PAWaterCooler.com for the updates.

Right out of the chute, McCain looks and behaves quite collected, at ease. Obama looks uncomfortable and wooden.

McCain hits big on the first question, concerning the bail-out. Obama strings rhetoric as McCain gives facts and substance.

Obama is asked to direct a comment to McCain, he instead, speaks directly to the moderator.

Side note-Obama is wearing a flag pin-

“The truth is that right after 9/11 I had a pin,” Obama said. “Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we’re talking about the Iraq war, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security.
“I decided I won’t wear that pin on my chest,” he said in the interview. “Instead, I’m going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testament to my patriotism.”

(ht to Alex for pointing that out to me)

McCain laments the use of earmarks as “a gateway drug”. Says that earmarks are one of the big spending issues that are out of control in government. He promises to veto earmarks ad naseum when he becomes president. Points out Obama’s ludicrous amount of earmarks.

Barry tells that he stopped taking earmarks for his home state. Of course! He hasn’t been in the senate chambers long enough this year to ask for any!

Obama states that earmarks aren’t the only problem…his $932 million in earmarks since he became senator would seem to me to be a big part of it.

The next question concerns their respective economic recovery plans…

For the record, McCain has never taken a dollar in earmarks for his home state of Arizona.

John Mentioned Barry’s definition of “rich” as it concerns the tax code…Barry comes back to say there are too many loopholes for the rich…I’d like to see what he paid last year in taxes!

They fence back and forth on tax breaks with nothing substantial to say.

Barry is putting forth the idea of energy independence, hybrid technology, keeping students viable in the world market, renewable energy sources, etc. Same old rhetoric we’ve been hearing from him, nothing new.

McCain is suggesting fiscal discipline, cleaning the dead wood out of the government agencies, from top to bottom, bottom to top. To essentially “scrub every agency of government”. He’s on fire!

Gaffe #1-Barry called McCain “Tom”

John is suggesting a spending freeze on everything except defense, veterans affairs, where Obama is for continuing funding education, McCain suggests that we can create jobs by building more nuclear power plants.

Gaffe #2: The moderator suggests that the next president will “rule” the United States.

Health Care, Health Care, Health Care…Obama wants to pay for it through (obviously) welth distribution through higher taxes…McCain says that the U.S.,government needs to stay out of the medical insurance business.

Obama Gaffe #2: He calls John “Jim”!

Obama says that McCain will be “business as usual”, McCain says I’m a maverick, and so is my running mate (props to SARAH!).

The next Question concerns the Iraq wr maybe becoming another Viet Nam.

McCain states that the war, ans subsequent surge is and has worked, and we will, under Petraeus, succeed, and come home winners, successful.

Obama states he was “brave enough” to stand up in the senate and oppose the war…busting chops about the cost of freedom and safety. He forgets that we need to be safe. States that we haven’t used our military resources wisely in Iraq. What war is he watching?

McCain just busted Obama’s chops over his support of  the troops, not visiting for over 900 days, never meeting with Petraeus…Barry’s face is priceless on the split screen.

McCain quips that Obama doesn’t know the difference between a tactic and a strategy! Priceless. Barry is reduces to interrupting and stuttering. He looks bad!

Now Barry is backpedaling on his previous stand on the war…he stated that he was for funding a war with a foreseeable end…I thought he was against funding the war?

Obama is constantly interrupting McCain…bad move, Barry!

McCain stated that Obama’s plan would “snatch defeat from the jaws of victory”…Great line!

On to Afghanistan…Barry is all for additional troops in Afghanistan, but that we also should tie the two together. So now he’s an expert on military ops?

He says we have to press the Afgan government, that they need to keep their people in line. (side note: he’s pronouncing Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc. like he’s lived there..oops, he has)

McCain is not ready to commit troops to Pakistan-he says the tribe mentality is very hard for us to be able to align ourselves with…true that. says that as we do need to work on Pakistan, we need to leave the decisions to General Petraeus.  Obama had stated that we need to invade Pakistan, McCain says :you don’t say that out loud!”. (Obama pronounces it “Pock-ee-stahn”)

(this ain’t easy…I now know how Alex felt when he live blogged the convention)

McCain’s record on national security issues, especially committing troops to combat, is stellar. McCain told the story of the mother of a service man killed in combat-she gave him her son’s bracelet and asked him to make sure that we win, that her son’s life wasn’t lost in vain. John rattled off the soldier’s name like it was his own…Barry looked at his wrist and said “I have a bracelet, too” (He had to look at his wrist to see the soldier’s name)

New question about the threat from Iran

McCain states that Iran having nukes will be a direct threat to Israel, and worries that there will be another Holocaust with a nuclear Iran.

He wants other countries to join with us to impose serious sanctions on Iran and can control the situation that way, if we work together. He goes on about the fact that Iran is supplying terrorists in Iraq with IED’s and such.

Obama says that the republican guard being a terrorist agency. Says that Iran’s strength has come from the war in Iraq. He claims that the policy (read war) of the last 8 years has been directly responsible for strengthening Iran.

Barry says sanctions will not work. By not talking to them, we’re not really punishing them, but strengthening them.

McCain says we should not have open dialogue with Iran, legitimizing their behavior. Reminds Barry that it worked when Reagan did it with the former USSR…and it worked. We don’t need no stinkin’ preconditions! Booyah!

Barry says: ‘but, but, but, but…” Claims he doesn’t necessarily not want preconditions…but it’s all Bush’s fault! Claims we need to sit down with our enemies and have a tea and crumpet party.

McCain says that he’s “not going to set the White House visitor’s schedule before he’s president…I don’t even have a seal yet”. Priceless jab!

Obama says preconditions mean preparation.

Russia

Obama sees them as a potential ally, although now they are perceived as a threat. Says we need to be tough with Russia, while allowing our “friends” to join NATO, if they meet the requirements. Claims that some of their nukes could find their way into the hands of al Qaeda…

McCain calls Obama naive for thinking that Russia and Georgia should both “back down from aggression” (I thought Georgia was defending their sovereign nation, not to mention the pipeline that runs through their land)

McCain supports allowing Georgia and Ukraine to join NATO…claims that the situation is difficult, but Russia should respect the borders of the other countries involved.

Obama just said that we should “forcefully object” to Russia’s resurgency…he copped that line from Demi Moore in “A Few Good Men”.

Alternative energy and economic recovery…McCain speaks, Obama interrupts…sheesh, what an amateur.

McCain upstages Barry on alternative energy, Barry gets flustered, interrupts, and says “let’s move on”. The sheer arrogance of this guy scares the bejeezus out of me (that he’s so close to maybe becoming president).

Are we going to be attacked again.

McCain states that we need to beef up security, especially along our borders.

Barry is reading from the democrat playbook, pointing our the Bush administrations foibles, no clear solution to offer.Quotes Ronald Reagan by saying that we need to once again become that “shining beacon on the hill”…this guy has never had an original thought, has he?

Barry equates Al Qaeda with borrowing money from China…whiskey-tango-foxtrot?

McCain delivers the coup de grace…says Obama lacks the experience in foreign affairs to the point that he still claims that the surge didn’t work, says he’ll take care of those who gave so much to keep the country safe, our veterans.

Obama says “my father came from Kenya” in the ’60’s…he came here for the American dream? he came here, got a free education and left his wife and son to pursue a career in Africa…some role model.

McCain gives a final statement that basically he’s the most qualified. I agree.

McCain-1, Barry-0